Satanic Symbolism of Tokio Hotel

Hey everybody, i`ve made a video about a band from my home country germany: Tokio Hotel. I'm not a hundred percent satisfied because this video is just a "collection" of really obviously satanic symbolism they use. If you`ve seen videos by "Theindustryexposed" then you will easily see that this band is like... all the others?!
They`ve made a videoclip with "metropolis" theme and their new album "Humanoid" is clearly pushing the so called "Robot Agenda"... They`ve very interesting lyrics but in my vid I only show one of them which doesnt need further explanations... i think i will make another vid about them with some deeper thoughts... but anyway, heres the video enjoy...

hi corrrdoba..good stuff ..will check it out today mate..thankyou so much

thanks corrrdoba.
i bet you can find them talking about how satan is good. that is their dare, and they accept the dare. they'll talk about this kind of stuff openly. they're too open about it to not. i don't know for sure, but it would be extremely surprising if they don't.

also, if I may stereotype, but these kind of people I've met before. they believe satan is good, and that evil is good. they think by being a non-dualist that they've reached beyond the illusion and are experiencing ultimate reality where all is one, but they do it in a way in which by expressing satan and saying evil is good - they reject any sense of good being separate from evil. they get to the point in which there is no justice and murder is subjective and a murderer can't be judged as doing something wrong. i've met this kind of people. they really believe that they are doing something good and moving beyond dualistic thinking. anything they say is never wrong and everybody else is an ideologue, has fixed ideas, and is an advocate of tyranny. yes, to them tyranny means not embracing satan and God as one in the same, and they take this metaphysical mistake thinking, thinking is bad and wrong too! the embrace a form of philosophic hedonism and sometimes are very educated and seem sophisticated but will never say murder, theft, or rape is wrong because how can they say anything with absolute certainty! They will not say there are criminals! The best i've ever had one of them, and they are not a hodge-podge of one kind of thinking but do fall in a stereotypical pattern, but the best i've ever had is one or two say they wouldn't feel good watching a murder happen. But some will not say if crimes, such as these, are wrong. It's amazing! They claim they can't make such a claim upon another as it would be a form of absolutism - but make the claim that their claiming is not absolute is an absolute claim on their part! They are circular in their reasoning to say the least and in my opinion, very disturb. over at the mises forum there is a person now who recently came into the forum with Alester Crowleys (spelling?) 'do as thou wilt' quote in his signature that is seen on each post he makes. he hasn't said the satan bit - yet! - but he and other moral nihilist i've met there (and not all in the forum are of these kind) argue this way. i used to argue with them, but simply ignore them and wish others would do the same. social ostracism is a good non-violent method in this case.

i really like the video's you do.

hi wilderness, first of all thx for your long answer.

i bet you can find them talking about how satan is good. that is their dare, and they accept the dare.

hmm... i could not find such a statement so far. but they said in an interview that they do not believe in god or any higher being. this is very strange because theyre always surrounded by religious symbols. bill wears most of the time a cross (a special one, keyword "fleur de lis") and skulls or the satan shirt or the falllen shirt etc..

they get to the point in which there is no justice and murder is subjective and a murderer can't be judged as doing something wrong. i've met this kind of people. they really believe that they are doing something good and moving beyond dualistic thinking.

i really know what you mean because at the moment i study philosophy at university and this kind of thinking is mainstream...really. no good, no evil. another sad example of this kind of thinking: an acquaintance of me was murdered last year at a village festival. the murderer was a hardcore gothic fan. they didnt know each other, they were no enemies.. they had only a LITTLE dispute at this evening and this guy killed him with a knife. cold as ice. i really think that his fascination for gothic/ satanism had an effect for his totally "unfounded" action.

how can they say anything with absolute certainty!

= Do As Thou Wilt= you said it...

i used to argue with them, but simply ignore them and wish others would do the same.

with certain persons you cannot argue about moral or religious issues because theyre too smart (*not*)... i dont even try it most of the time cause i feel in a certain way whether it is worth to talk about it with this person or not...

i really like the video's you do.

thank you, i really appreciate that.

corrrdoba wrote:hi wilderness, first of all thx for your long answer.

i bet you can find them talking about how satan is good. that is their dare, and they accept the dare.

hmm... i could not find such a statement so far. but they said in an interview that they do not believe in god or any higher being. this is very strange because theyre always surrounded by religious symbols. bill wears most of the time a cross (a special one, keyword "fleur de lis") and skulls or the satan shirt or the falllen shirt etc..

i meant as in 'dare', meaning, they might not have said it yet, but they seem to be so honest about their beliefs that they will dare (have the courage) to do such in time. Like Marilyon Manson (spell?). He's openly satanic. But this crowd is a bit stickier than that, as you mention below. Cause they might not say they are satanic. They might simply say no evil, no good and thereby promote evil thinking it's ok to do such just to be 'in your face' (not yours specifically, figure of speech). I don't know. It's difficult to describe as it is circular in reasoning. They will promote evil simply to show it is good; yet they aren't promoting good as in there is good and evil separate, more as the futile attempt to show there is no dualism between good and evil.

corrrdoba wrote:

they get to the point in which there is no justice and murder is subjective and a murderer can't be judged as doing something wrong. i've met this kind of people. they really believe that they are doing something good and moving beyond dualistic thinking.

i really know what you mean because at the moment i study philosophy at university and this kind of thinking is mainstream...really. no good, no evil. another sad example of this kind of thinking: an acquaintance of me was murdered last year at a village festival. the murderer was a hardcore gothic fan. they didnt know each other, they were no enemies.. they had only a LITTLE dispute at this evening and this guy killed him with a knife. cold as ice. i really think that his fascination for gothic/ satanism had an effect for his totally "unfounded" action.

that's very sad. hard to hear about murder, and then to hear about it from somebody that knew it closely, you know it closely by experiencing such a tragedy from an associate of yours. truly heartfelt:cry:

yeah you get what i'm saying. they believe in amoralism, ie. no good, no evil; yet, I see them making judgments on their relations with other people all the time, ie. ethics. Yet they say they are not being absolute about their ethics and they don't believe in any universal ethics even to the point of not judging if another person commits murder that it is wrong (they won't say if it is right either), as I said above. I don't think all ethics can be explained away in an absolute sense, but once somebody believes it's ok that they are allowed to perform a peculiar act but not somebody else, ie. a murderer finds it ok to use his property (person) to kill another person, then it is the logical fallacy of special pleading. I look for consistency in my theorizing about the world.

fleur de lis raised my eyebrows..seen one a lot lately..here it is



the question mark symbol was used by blue oyster cult of "dont fear the reaper" fame





cross of nero!



brilliant work mate..will post on my blog for tomorrow

BOC are know for that LOL
about the video in the post i can stand that music sorry so i can talk to me feels like someone want to hypnotize
about the devil in music oh well i think my favorite music is \metal/ and to quote Bob from overkill
"sing about the devil make me a lot of dough" but also metal music are big part of awake the sheeps
i don't like the devil but i like the music and don't bother me much imho is at good think because from the horns to all the staff
that come from it is take out the power and mystery
here i quote at priest that at while ago say to the teens wear the t's(t'shirts) from the bands to mass don't dress different to
come to church because when we hide things we give it more power
so in conclusion except probably some parts on black \metal/ most from Norway
i can say sing about the devil like Bob from overkill say to me i say take the power from "they"

if you keep making videos like that i wll make a section just for your videos corrrdoba..well done

about the fleure- de-lis maybe we need to thx dan brown and the mention of the priory of sion that "they" use it.
i like the Dumas , he was part of "they" ?
i say that because the three musketeers have it

historical symbol isnt it?

yes!
here is at post about it i don't read it all and probably all is not true
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg10931.html

Note the various themes: the Trinity, which the 3 petals were
understood to recall, is represented; angels are bearing the shield as
they are supporters of the arms of France, the dove descending from
heaven recalls the legend of the baptism of Clovis when a dove brought
the sacred ointment to Saint Remigius.

thx isabel

seeker401 wrote:fleur de lis raised my eyebrows..seen one a lot lately..here it is

Watched a movie last night with my wife called "LA Confidential" and this symbol was stumbled upon by a detective that led him into discovering it was the label for a prostitution ring. The women had plastic surgery to look like movie stars. And sometimes men were used if a politician (the LA DA was) gay. Then pictures were taken to blackmail any high profile people that slept with the prostitutes. At first it was a local mob boss in charge, but that man was put in jail right off the bat in the beginning. The 'thriller' or drama was the discovery by the end of the movie that the LA chief of police took over the mob bosses business of smuggling in drugs mainly heroin making lots of money on the sales. The police chief had the LA District Attorney and some LA local politicians, and most of the senior police staff either blackmailed or helping him out. The prostitution ring was very hard to find and that only turned out to be a front to a much bigger scandal of the chief police and others filling the mob bosses previously established criminal enterprise. And it was all based on the good appearance of LA (as they would say in the movie had to look 'Hollywood good'), so, even though this was all found out the police commissioner (above the police chief) didn't want this all to hit the laymen's ears as it would look bad for the police department. So they made it look like organized crime was behind it all even though the corrupt police involved did end up dead. Anyways, it was all about keeping everything hush-hush.

So my wonderment is, maybe I'll stumble upon this, has that symbol been known in mainstream to stand for prostitution (which usually is tied to drugs, and heroin only made me think of Afghanistan but that's another story.) Since that symbol is of New Orleans it made me think of Mardi Gras which is all about sex or sex appeal. The beads thrown to women who show off their naked breasts. Also made me think of France as New Orleans has a French appeal still as it was their colony at one time. Made me think of Rio de Janeiro (2016 summer Olympics) as that Brazilian city is like Mardi Gras on one of their holidays. And then also isn't Haiti tied to New Orleans too even share, amongst other languages, the Creole language.

LA Confidential: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Confidential_%28film%29
"Meanwhile, Jack Vincennes follows up on a pornography racket that leads to ties to both the Nite Owl and Bracken's handler Pierce Patchett, operator of "Fleur-de-Lis", a call-girl service that runs prostitutes altered by plastic surgery to look like movie stars. All three men's fates are intertwined. A dramatic showdown occurs with powerful and corrupt forces within the city's political leadership and the department."

Madam of D.C. had records thrown out. Had me think of this too.

Also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-Lis
"...continues to appear in the arms of the King of Spain and the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, members of the House of Bourbon. It remains an enduring symbol of France that appears on French postage stamps, although it has never been adopted officially by any of the French republics. In North America, the fleur-de-lis is often associated with areas formerly settled by France, such as Quebec, St. Louis, Louisville, and Louisiana, and with French-speaking people in other Canadian provinces."

good thinking wilderness..i dont know if its associated with prostitutes though..worth researching

seeker401 wrote:good thinking wilderness..i dont know if its associated with prostitutes though..worth researching

yes. I don't know either. a thought trail to share, not knowing if it means anything or not in the long run. I thought it was interesting how you were talking about that symbol a lot recently, a symbol I never took too much notice of before and then it ended up playing a big part in a movie I watched. Like that falling man thing the other day. Life is funny when things are noticed for the first time then sometimes I start to notice it everywhere and think, 'I guess it's been there all along and I never took too much notice.' But isn't that what's going on in general? The stealth take over by anti-liberty powers to erect, for one, a world gov't that undoubtedly in their dreams will be more powerful than any single country. All this wool over my eyes that I need to still clear up. But we're getting somewhere. Thanks for this site seeker.