Two Women: Satan's Kingdom and God's Kingdom

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Intrigued wrote:I have always thought this verse in scripture referred to the Vatican, my opinion and interpretation. It fits her well.

"The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries."

Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon has been a golden cup in the hand of the LORD, Intoxicating all the earth. The nations have drunk of her wine; Therefore the nations are going mad.

That's true. Interestingly I've been studying this of recent so I am thrilled to see this here. But not just the Vatican. This woman represents all gov'ts or earthly authority social structures that deny God. There are two women in the Bible. Both are kingdom's, but one is the earthly kingdom that has it's ear to Satan. The other woman gave birth to Jesus Christ in heaven and she is God's Kingdom:

"And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne." Revelation 12:5

The first prophecy in the Bible:

"And I (Jehovah) shall put enmity between you (Satan) and the woman (God's Kingdom) and between your seed (Satan's wicked seed) and her seed (Christ's spiritual lineage and his biological lineage mentioned in Matthew 1:1). He (Christ) will bruise you (Satan) in the head (death blow) and you (Satan) will bruise him (Christ) in the heel (Christ dying on the cross not only for our sins but taking on all the world's sins; sacrifice)." Genesis 3:15 (what I put in parenthesis is mine so I didn't have to quote other verses. This is a conversation between God and Satan. It is also known as the sacred secret.)

"But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." Galatians 4:26

Ok. So now this other woman who is not God's Kingdom:

Galatians 4: 22-24, 31 "22For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; 23 but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. 24 These things stand as a symbolic drama.... 31 Wherefore, brothers, we are children, not of a servant girl, but of the free woman."

Galatians 3:29 "Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham's seed, heirs with reference to a promise."

The promise through the free woman, God's Kingdom. But this one of the servant girl who is born "in the manner of flesh" not the spirit (again spiritual language or "symbolic drama" pertaining to flesh and spirit).

"Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?" James 4:4; this is of the servant girl who:

"Oh how the faithful town has become a prostitute! She was full of justice; righteousness itself used to lodge in her, but now murderers." Isaiah 1:21; Referring to Israel when God's Kingdom was of Saul, King David, etc.... in which God's Kingdom was made manifest with them, but she had turned away from her husband, God, and began to have immoral intercourse with other earthly nations instead of spiritual intercourse with God.

"And they went mingling with the nations and took up learning their works." Psalm 106: 35

"...you loved a bed with them. The male organ you beheld." Isaiah 57:8

"And she went on uncovering her acts of prostitution and uncovering her nakedness so that my soul (Jehovah's) turned away disgusted from company with her..." Ezekiel 23:18

"....But you said: 'I am not going to serve'... you (instead) were lying sprawled out, prostituting yourself." Jeremiah 2:20

"...you may conclude a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, as they will certainly have immoral intercourse with their gods and sacrifice to their gods... someone... invite you, and you will certainly eat some of their sacrifice." Exodus 34:15; the servant girl of the other "covenant" (not of Christ's covenant) having immoral intercourse with their gods, eating of their sacrifices of other nations, not of God's.

"Israel... terrible thing... fornication on the part of Ephraim. Israel has defiled itself." Hosea 6:10

"For your Grand Maker is your husbandly owner, Jehovah of armies being his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. The God of the whole earth he will be called." Israel 54:5; God is her husband, but she became an adulteress (above James 4:4) and prostituted herself out to other nations and sacrifices instead of God's her husband.

"And it must occur in that day, is the utterance of Jehovah, 'that you will call me My husband, and you will no longer call me My owner." Hosea 2:16

The servant girl woman who is of the flesh is not the woman who is God's Kingdom sacredly married in spirit with him, her true husband. Christ on his throne born of this woman, God's Kingdom, who is the seed of peace has enmity between her and Satan (above Genesis 3:15). But through Christ Repurchasing (above Israel 54:5) the covenant of peace will come to pass.

"As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens..." Philippians 3:20

Many exciting other quotes of this woman who is of God's Kingdom, as well as the prostitute woman of earthly kingdom's.

Awesome post Intrigued.

Intrigued wrote:Great explanation, wilderness... I agree, this is a pagan, Babylonian System...the system of those who worshipped gods and not the One true God. It's amazing how the churches, who most rely on for biblical interpretation, have been misleading the people for centuries. They are being exposed today as never before, thanks to the internet.

Keep in mind, that "immoral intercourse" or here below "fornication" are of the spirit world. She, this is of the servant girl, had committed spiritual fornication which means, as you say Intrigued, "the system of those who worshipped gods and not the One true God". She committed adultery in the spirit world (which is on this earth as well as in heaven). She left her husband, Jehovah, and laid with other men (gods of the Babylonian system).

"And another , a second angel, followed, saying: 'She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!'" Revelation 14:8

Remember God is a cultivator of vines in which grapes are produced to make wine (joy) in which is the "fruit of the lips", meaning, the sacrifice of praise that people are to offer to God. This is the new altar of sacrifice ever since Jesus Christ walked on this earth. The old altars where sacrifices were made of animals on stone altars in the old testament ended when Jesus Christ walked on the earth and he being the Lamb was sacrificed and now people by praising the Creator make sacrifices. This is part of the new covenant. This is how sacrifices are to be done now-a-days. The altar is within us and the sacrifices are praises and the fruit on our lips. The love of the neighbor so wisdom and God can be present with us. First, this verse pertains to God being the cultivator who "proceeded... to plant it", and then how he was planting vines to produce grapes:

"Let me sing, please, to my beloved one a song of my loved one concerning his vineyard, There was a vineyard that my beloved one came to have on a fruitful hillside. [2] And he proceeded to dig it up and to rid it of stones and to plant it with a choice red vine, and to build a tower in the middle of it. And there was also a winepress that he hewed out in it. And he kept hoping for it to produce grapes, but i gradually produced wild grapes." Isaiah 5: 1, 2

This is a spiritual image or parable about God building and planting a "choice red vine". A winepress for wine drinking of joy and praise. But instead of grapes being produced, wild grapes, meaning instead of listening to God and praising him, these people produced wild grapes, meaning, they drank and praised 'wildly' not towards God their culivator but were wild and cultivated not by God's way (cause they didn't heed his way). These verses lead into the prophecy of the physical Babylon destroying Israel. This points out further this spirit world that is to be interpreted side by side with fortification or fornication:

"of their wooden idol my own people keep inquiring... very spirit of fornication has cuased them to wander off." Hosea 4:12

"Israel is a degenerating vine. Fruit he keeps putting forth for himself.... Their heart has become hypocritical..." Hosea 10:1

"Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its fruit?" 1 Corinthians 9: 7

This is pointing out that God is a cultivator and planter of vineyards, but also eats of its fruits, God was hoping for it to produce grapes and not wild grapes. With Christ this hope will all come to pass. And the fruit that people are to give upon their inner altar and express in praise:

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, [20] idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, [21] envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning you, the same way as I did forewarn you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God's kingdom.
[22] On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, [23] mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. [24] Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus impaled the flesh together with its passions and desires.
[25] If we are living by spirit, let us go on walking orderly also by spirit." Galatians 5:19-251

These fruits are to be offered not only to our fellow people but to God as well.

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the cultivator." John 15:1

God the the cultivator that spiritually wants grapes/fruits produced on his vine (above Isaiah 5:1, 2) to be offered in praise upon the spiritual altar that we each have access to in order to make these sacrifices through Christ who is the Lamb upon this spiritual altar.

"Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of lips which make public declaration to his name." Hebrew 13:15

"For there will be the see of peace; vine itself will give its fruitage, and the arth itself will give its yield..." Zechariah 8:12

Intrigued wrote:
But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase."

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 11:9 They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.

The holy mountain is God's kingdom. Lot's of different names used for similar things in the bible. That holy mountain is called Zion too.

Intrigued wrote:
It is fascinating to me that we can see these things both literally and in the spiritual sense. Biblically, waters and sea may also represent many peoples. Today, as we watch the sun activity and understand the significance it has over earthquakes, volcanos, tsunamis...we could very well be looking at floods of biblical proportions in our near future. ( Susan Hedke, Galactic Center). Ironically, the astrology involved is also playing out the book of Revelation.

http://www.galactic-centre-2012.com/index.html

A great sign was seen in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun,

and the moon below her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

She was with child. She cried out in pain, labouring to give birth. Rev. 12

This verse is of the free woman of heaven. She is God's Kingdom. This is in verse one of this chapter (12) of Rev. She was with child and that child is Christ. Later in that chapter she gives birth to the male, Christ. This of Revelation 12:1 above has already happened. And she has come down to earth and Satan has ravaged her as Satan has, from what I hear, already lost the battle in heaven that is explained further in that chapter. Satan has come down to the earth after losing the battle in heaven and is now ravaging after the seed of this woman, the seed of peace of those people who heed peace and have accepted the covenant that there will be peace on earth as well as in heaven. This is the sacred secret given in Genesis 3:15 that Satan's wicked seed will have enmity with her (God's Kingdom) seed (the seed of peace). This conflict will go on until the end of times when this all will come to a final pass and all of this violence and stupidity will leave this earth.

Intrigued wrote:
I guess there are many ways that God will reach out to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear before the final destruction of this system occurs. He is not unlike any Father who loves their child enough to allow them every opportunity to come home, but at some point, the day will come when those doors of opportunity will close. We have to be very careful that we are not pulled into this system of belief and become deceived to the truth. The answers are in the bible, its the interpretation that is in question.

Indeed. And it is the interpretation due to what you quoted of Daniel. The actual events that pop up in the news, those are the events that will be able to bring to light the actual names and faces of who are carrying out these prophecies. The interpretation is in question, especially if some has already come to pass, and the knowledge of some people from various walks of life may possess insight from their studying as to what has come to pass. What will come to pass in the future the Bible doesn't provide actual names so we probably will have to wait. Though we know by current events that according to Daniel the U.S.-UK power structure is of the feet in the illustration Daniel gave of the statue. Also the U.S.-UK is of the last beast which includes the Roman and Holy Roman Empire. All of the beasts and the statue kingdoms of before are still present. The whole thing doesn't topple until the very end. So persia, greece, etc.... are still present and their power still exists on this earth though in various ways. Out of Persia maybe it is Iran's force. Out of greece I think it's how all of western culture still uses the ways of the Greek culture. Place their political structure is still intact. Iran is Babylon and Saddam Hussein even tried to rebuild the ancient Babylonian city. The Roman and Holy Roman Empire is much of part of the political, corrupt structure of today. They are all still present yet the lastest manifestation of this corruption being the U.S.-Europe(Roman)-Holy Roman Empire is the last of the beasts which is the most fearsome of all. Yet there is one more stage to this all which is the United Nations and the world gov't that will rise out of all of this, but as all the previous empires and nations, when the UN will rise, the current nations will still be here. And yes the UN has already risen and is here alongside all other nations, but when the corrupt power really swears its head out of the UN, there will still be these other nations but I think the UN will have increased power. That is yet to come. At that time the harlot or servant woman or woman who rides the beast, the full Satan kingdom on earth will rise up, but will not last. (above Rev. 14:8 ) Also Revelation 17, I'll post some of the verses of this chapter:

"...[3] And I caught sight of a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns.... [4] full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication. [5] And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: 'Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.' [18] And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth."

This woman rides the wild beast. She is Satan's kingdom. She is of Babylon of old, but is also of all of the earthly kingdom's not heeding God. She is the accumulation of all the fornications, political deals, wars between nations where Babylon rises to be destroyed by the Medo-Persians but they are destroyed by the Greeks, and on and on the accumulation and destruction of political deals and wars between these Empires she rides along on these various beasts always being the world gov't but to climax as a earthly kingdom world gov't in which a "great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth". This has not yet fully happened though it is developing as the world gov't forces are arising and do perform their deeds this very day. Think about how all previous empires always declared they were the rulers of the world. They were always the world gov't of that time, because riding on their back was the world gov't woman that is Satan's Kingdom building up to this final climax in which the world gov't truly goes global. Though other kings will exist, meaning, other nations. They will be more subservient than ever though upon the earthly global power. But it will be very chaotic, very confusing. There will not be peace amongst these different nations. They are not of peace. They will work together yet back-stab each other at the same time. Same as they have been, and same as they do currently.

interesting.

yes seeker, the U.S. gov't is the whore. and they even have a statue given to them by France. the whore refers to immoral intercourse with nations instead of people wifeing themselves to God. The whore is ancient and is all nations that do not have moral intercourse with their true Husband. We are supposedly at the feet of the idol that I believe Daniel interpreted from Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon. The feet are a mix of clay and iron. The iron is the Roman/Holy Roman Empire that has evolved into the current nation-states of the U.S.-UK and others. It is mixed with clay because the tyranny of that empire mixes with the people (clay is symbolic throughout the bible for people. Adam's name means red clay, etc....) The people are now mixing themselves with the tyranny of the Empire. But they don't mix. The people are allowed to join in with the iron but the clay and iron remain separate. The people are only giving themselves to the iron tyranny but are not actually ruling. The clay doesn't mix with the iron and it will never mix because people are consenting that somehow people can rule over people and people can solve the problems of the world. The UN is supposedly the solution of all solutions. A world gov't of humans is supposedly how all the world's problems will disappear. Yeah, next time a G- whatever meeting happens I will not think twice at the mockery they make and how pathetic those global leaders are. Peace is overcoming.

So this woman who is of the servant girl is Satan's Kingdom. Therefore of the spirit world. She rides the beasts of the nations and social structures that fornicate with her.

"And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: 'Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, [2] with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.'" Revelation 17:1,2

As I've quoted previously, God, a Cultivator Himself, wanted to produce grapes and winepress them into wine. This is the spiritual altar in which the fruits of the spirit in each person produces grapes to be picked by the Cultivator. The sacrifice of praise, meaning, the joyful praising of Jehovah is the spiritual way to sacrifice. These sacrifices are the praises, the full involvement of each person in honor of God. These spiritual sacrifices are done in these simple acts of praise in which when I go, 'Praise Jehovah', that is a sacrifice. That praising is the sacrifice and it is joyful. This is drinking the wine pressed by the Cultivator. This drinking is joy given in honor of God who Cultivates and had also planted us to grow and become. That is the act of creation and our joyful praise is that ability of praising that each person does all the time whether intentionally or not (This job is hard but thankfully it will be over soon; or I love hearing this song it's great; or I'm so glad it rained today my garden was getting dry, etc.... all praises or givings of one sort or another); recognizing when praising, even the examples I gave, that when such praising happens it happens implied, even if silently, that the act is of God, it is harmonized with God. It is when praising God therefore we are in harmony with how everything is, as it says in Genesis in reference to the creation 'It is good'. It is praising in harmony with the praising of all of creation.

The spiritual sacrifices:

"[14]Offer thanksgiving as your sacrifice to God,
And pay to the Most High your vows.

"[23]The one offering thanksgiving as his sacrifice is the one that glorifies me...." Psalms 50: 14, 23

"And now my head will be high above
my enemies all around me;
And I will sacrifice at his tent
sacrifices of joyful shouting;
I will sing and make melody to
Jehovah." Psalm 27:6

This spiritual sacrifice also in reference to spiritual songs:

"speaking to yourselves with psalms and praises to God and spiritual songs, singing and accompanying yourselves with music in your hearts to Jehovah [20] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ giving thanks always for all things to our God and Father." Ephesians 5:19, 20

Note: "giving thanks" that is the sacrifice, the spiritual song of praise to Jehovah and it is through Jesus Christ because he is the Lamb, the sacrifice. Thus the right praising is a sacrifice of the Lamb.

"...Keep on teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, praises to God, spiritual songs with graciousness, singing in your hearts to Jehovah. [17] And whatever it is that you do in word or in work, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him." Colossians 3:16, 17

Note: Again, "do everything... thanking God the Father"... this thanking is the sacrifice, is done at the spiritual altar that we are as a Temple of God. This provides the fruits of what we do in praise to God, thus, we connect with God in doing, instead, of offering immoral praises upon our altars which is blasphemous to sacrifice upon our altars towards the Babylon Woman because our altars are of God as He has created us all and our sacrifices are to God anyways, but the great deceiver that Satan is gets some to believe that their sacrifice is towards the Babylon Woman. Thus what they think they are doing is not what they are doing. And then their acts are bad as they believe in the Babylon Woman in their acts instead of the faith in their acts are towards God. They deceive. And their very acts therefore are deceiving even to the point of murderous:

"Guard your feet whenever you go to the house of the [true] God; and let there be a drawing near to hear, rather than to give a sacrifice as the stupid ones do, for they are not aware of doing what is bad." Ecclesiastes 5:1

The acts are done in God's name whether intentionally done so or not, because we are a Temple of God, thus, what we do is in His name even if those spiritual offerings are towards the Babylon Woman and that's why those acts are blasphemous. And those of the Babylon Woman's, Satan's Kingdom false religion are therefore blasphemous and praise not Jehovah who has created all:

"And he carried me away in [the power of the] spirit into a wilderness. And I caught sight of a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns.... [4] ...that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication. [5] And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: 'Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.'" Revelation 17: 3-5

There is the proper spiritual sacrifice and the improper. There is the proper way to God's Kingdom in which such a Wife, the free woman, is with God, and the improper adulterous, prostituting, and fornicator that is called Satan's Kingdom. How people, as in "we", are to conduct ourselves in harmony with God's Kingdom. The immoral intercourse with the other woman who is Satan's Kingdom is to not properly sacrifice, again, echo's of Cain, echo's of false religion, echo's of who she is being, ie. Babylon the Great, the great harlot who is Satan's Kingdom in which earthly kingdoms, and social structures prostituting with her thereby are involved in immoral intercourse. This is where Cain went wrong. He didn't offer praise to God during his sacrifice. Gen. 4:5; Amos 5:22; Isaiah 1:11

"The sacrifice of the wicked ones is something detestable to Jehovah, but the prayer of the upright ones is a pleasure to him." Proverbs 15:8

So back full circle to the first verse in this post, Rev. 17: 1,2 (re-read if necessary to attune to the next verses):

"For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.... [23]... because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled." Revelation 18: 3, 23

Note: By her "spiritistic practice". She is Satan's Kingdom. She works in the spirit world even here on this earth. Looking up the phrase "spiritistic practice" in how it can also be translated I find: The Literal translation is "sorcery". The Greek translation is "druggery" (again this druggery is of the spiritual sense) [Greek word: pharmakiai]. The Greek translation helps echo the reference of "drunk with the wine of her fornication" Rev. 17:2.

wilderness wrote:yes seeker, the U.S. gov't is the whore. and they even have a statue given to them by France. the whore refers to immoral intercourse with nations instead of people wifeing themselves to God. The whore is ancient and is all nations that do not have moral intercourse with their true Husband. We are supposedly at the feet of the idol that I believe Daniel interpreted from Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon. The feet are a mix of clay and iron. The iron is the Roman/Holy Roman Empire that has evolved into the current nation-states of the U.S.-UK and others. It is mixed with clay because the tyranny of that empire mixes with the people (clay is symbolic throughout the bible for people. Adam's name means red clay, etc....) The people are now mixing themselves with the tyranny of the Empire. But they don't mix. The people are allowed to join in with the iron but the clay and iron remain separate. The people are only giving themselves to the iron tyranny but are not actually ruling. The clay doesn't mix with the iron and it will never mix because people are consenting that somehow people can rule over people and people can solve the problems of the world. The UN is supposedly the solution of all solutions. A world gov't of humans is supposedly how all the world's problems will disappear. Yeah, next time a G- whatever meeting happens I will not think twice at the mockery they make and how pathetic those global leaders are. Peace is overcoming.

spot on mate..interestingly..do you know the date on the "book of life" in the libertys hands?